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Post by larryc on Mar 20, 2011 18:24:18 GMT -8
Ha did you know that your offsets are in a bad position.When you push the tab button and the jog control comes up you cant see either the screen or the cordinites.
Mach has the screen hid as well but I can see were the bit is by the position display.
I dont know if I described it right. But I move my machine a lot with my jog buttons and once I start a project I leave the credences the same so I always know where I am if I need to go back later.
When I down loaded you screen I whent to jog the router and to my surprise I not only couldnt see the screen but I couldnt see the machine offsets as well. because of the jog controller Covering them.
I know mach has the screen covered but I can see the offsets. and know where I am.
Will this be fixed .
Some machines I understand this doesnt matter. But with mach finding the zero with the jog controller part is something people do every day. Or it is what I do every day.
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Post by DaveCVI on Mar 21, 2011 23:08:44 GMT -8
Hi,
The tab key causes the fly out page to appear at the right side of the mach window (the positioning of the fly out page is determined by Mach).
It sounds to me as if you are using the mouse button to click on the graphical jog images on the flyout page and also would like to see some of the the screen controls that the flyout page covers while you are jogging the machine. This can be easily accomplished by using the keyboard arrow keys for X,Y and the PgUp & PgDn keys for Z. The flyout page does not have to be open to jog and the keyboard works great for jogging in both cont and step modes (and of course if you have an MPG you dont need either the jog keys or the flyout graphics to jog).
To respond to your question re "will this be fixed":
The flyout location on the right side of the Mach window is fixed by Mach and not under the control of MSM. Multiple alternative layouts were considered and evaluated during the alpha period of development and all have different compromises. The current layout was settled on as the best of those prototyped and evaluated according to inputs from the Alpha testers (during 1H 2010). Moving controls on any page from "under" the flyout page would end up being a major redesign of the entire set of screen layouts. Any such change would require an enormous amount of work (for example it would require a new user manual to match) and that type of major change to the basic page layouts is very unlikely to occur.
Dave
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Post by larryc on Mar 22, 2011 12:41:25 GMT -8
Okay. I just was trying the screen and that was the fist thing I noticed.
I have never tried the key board. I just found it easy to use the flyout.
Even though in mach it is also somwhat in the road. I guess I am just old fashion.
You know get use to somthing just keep doing it easy or not.
I didnt realize that it was that hard to change.
But like you said I use the flyout and wanted to see the measurments. So I could get the head to a exact location.
Maybe there is another way to zero the head. Got to look some more.
I guess I was just thinking out loud.
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Post by DaveCVI on Mar 22, 2011 13:24:01 GMT -8
Larry, no problem - questions are the reason the forum exists.  Personally, I've observed that the way I jog has changed since I started using Mach. When I started I tried the arrows but found it too hard to precisely control where movement stopped when using the mouse button. Then I started using the keyboard keys - I found that much better - especially if you use Cont mode to get close and then Step mode to do the final distance. it's easy to use step mode and move one step distance with each key press. Then I built an MPG pendant and I found I never used the keys at all - I was doing everything with the pendant (my pendant design also had eys to change from cont to step mode etc). A MPG makes both approximate quick moves and precise step moves real nice. Then I got into using a probe - and things changed again. Now I use the keys to get close to where I want the probe, and then I click a probe operation in MSM and it does the rest for me - MSM finds the corner for me and sets zero to the corner. I've been surprised at how little I use the MPG pendant now that I have good probing support. It seems that almost all of the need for Jogging (for me at least) was related to finding edges etc to set Offsets. Dave |
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Post by larryc on Mar 23, 2011 7:32:11 GMT -8
Okay. Maybe I should think about using a pendent I have never used one. How will it work.
You said you built your own. What did you ues for it or did you build from scap.
I use the arrows until I get just about to posistion and then I use the step I am able to use .1 then .001 etc until I get the XandY to zero.
then I can just run the second bit over the fist and Keep alinment so close you cant see the difference.
That is the reason I was looking at MSM in the fist place so I could just let the machine set up the zero.
But when I tried the program I couldnt find the probe feature. and I havent had time to go back just yet.
Hope the trial doesnt run out before I get to use it. As I was saying a couple of weeks ago I nearly died cunjested heart failure .
but I am now setting up the new machines . Getting everything back up and running.
This has been a bad winter machine failures, health, etc. But I should be back up and running this week or next.
Just about got the new machines running ....Yes both machines down One the mother board the other windows soft ware. Do you think a mpg pendent is the way to go.
If it is I will try and see how to build one. Maybe a joy tick from a old video game could be converted. I dont know I will have to look see. I dont have hundreds of dollars to buy one so I will hav to find a cheap one.
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Post by larryc on Mar 23, 2011 7:54:21 GMT -8
Can I ask where in the country you are. I thought you were in florida but when I just posted this message it shows up as 7:32 am you wouldnt even be at work yet. where I am on top of the great lakes it is 11:32 am. Just wondering. Sorry to bother you
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Post by DaveCVI on Mar 23, 2011 8:28:34 GMT -8
Hi,
I'm on the west coast in the Pacific time zone - but I've been known to be at a computer at odd times of the day.
MPGs are nice, but not a requirement. If you're interested in using a probe, an MPG becomes less needed (as the probe wil do much of the work for you).
The probing features are on the WC Offsets page, Probe Tab.
documentation for the probe features are in section 7 of the MSM manual.
Finally, the production release (v1.0.2) has the basic probing operations and the beta release (v1.0.2.d72 currently) has a much expanded set of probe operations.
Dave
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