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Post by lseguine on Nov 26, 2012 15:44:37 GMT -8
Hello Dave,
well i got the probe to finally work like it should in the edge finding page. did all the steps in the getting started thread.
found the edges and corners and surface just fine.
went to the next page for finding pockets and posts. loaded a machined part. it has a 0.753 hole bored in a part that is 1.886 dia. did a run with a hint dia of 0.75 started out side of the hole and the program ran as expected untill it came off the last x axis
bump headding for center. got a probe failure and a warning message that said "Xdim<> Ydim, Delta=0.371000
the probe seems to be setting in the center when all stops.
I then decided to check the outside of this part while all was set up.
I entered a hint dia of 1.88 set the tool over the surface set first z and set it to running it found the surface moved across the part past the edge by almost 2 inches down back till edge found up across but beyond by the same almost 2 inches down started back did not get to edge befor error "edge not found"
so i tried using a hint of 1 inch got good x movement over running by only aprox 1 inch this time but when it tried to do Y it only moved about 1/2 off the aprox center and came down on the surface cusing an error stop.
Oh and one other question, and i did RTFM , what is the Set TB zero on the edge page?
larry in alaska
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 8:31:00 GMT -8
Hi Larry, I'd like to start with the last question from your post as it puzzles me a bit... Oh and one other question, and i did RTFM , what is the Set TB zero on the edge page? "Set TB Zero" is short for "Set Tool Block Zero" - but what caught my attention is that this button only exists in the MSM lathe screens... The button has to do with the Mill-Turn support for lathe tool tooling fixtures. You get extra credit for RTFM! ;D but the confusion may come from reading the Mill manual but running the Lathe screens... (as Set TB Zero is documented in the lathe extension manual). So, I've been thinking that you are running a mill, and are trying to get mill probing going, but maybe you have the lathe / mill-turn stuff loaded when you really want the mill stuff? let's check... On the probing page, when you cycle thru the probe operation pages, how many pages are in the cycle? two? If the answer is two (edge and a pocket/post page that only has one circular pocket and one circular post shown) then you have the lathe stuff loaded and are running mach in lathe mode. If that is what you want, fine, please confirm that so I'll be thinking about the right setup. If that is not what you wanted and you really want to be running Mach/MSM in mil mode, to get all the mil probing operations (there are 5 pages of mill probing operations in the cycle), we need to get you changed back to the mill screens and mill mode.... I'm asking about this topic first as the probing ops are internally different for lathe and mill mode, so I need to know what setup to be thinking about. Dave |
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 12:13:54 GMT -8
dave i have 5 pags
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 15:06:43 GMT -8
OK, that's good, as it means you are actually running the mill screens... but the Set Tb Zero button ony exists on the Lathe screens, so where did you see it?  Dave |
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 16:03:52 GMT -8
it is on the edge finding page between PROBE ONLYand PROBE ACTIVE.
i'm running MSM professional version that i upgraded to this spring i think.
you were making aspecial offer to thoes that were using the personal version.
larry
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 16:34:59 GMT -8
whilst we're talking bout probing....
my probe tip i 2mm dia. when the probe comes down to get a surface onlt the bottom 1/4 of the ball is below a surface. i was expecting that the whole ball would be below the surface.
is my thinking wrong?? or is there something i need to set to get it down further?
larry
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 16:50:30 GMT -8
Hum, I'm still puzzled - let's try a picture... it is on the edge finding page between PROBE ONLYand PROBE ACTIVE. i'm running MSM professional version that i upgraded to this spring i think. you were making aspecial offer to thoes that were using the personal version. larry Are you seeing the "mill-turn edge probe page" as shown in the attached pic (note that the mill in the upper left has the axes as X,Y,Z,A) or the "Mill edge probe page" while the mill-turn has X,Z,Y and no A....)? Dave Attachments:
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 16:51:21 GMT -8
for comparison here is the mill edge probe page pic: Dave Attachments:
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 16:56:06 GMT -8
Hi, whilst we're talking bout probing.... my probe tip i 2mm dia. when the probe comes down to get a surface onlt the bottom 1/4 of the ball is below a surface. i was expecting that the whole ball would be below the surface. is my thinking wrong?? or is there something i need to set to get it down further? larry The expectatiaon is correct - by default MSM places the spherical tip of the probe at "Probe Depth". If you are doing a "down and over: operation, then MSM finds the z level of the top and sets Probe Depth by default to positioning the probe tip so that the top of the ball is level with the top surface. If you are just doing a "probe X+" (for example) then the probe motion is done at whatever Z depth the probe was an when the "Probe X+" arrow was clicked. Usually if the probe depth is not as expected, the issue is that the tool table has the wrong value for diameter for the probe tool. (since the tip is a ball, the diameter is also the ball height). Dave |
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 16:59:21 GMT -8
I have the mill edge X,Y,Z, A
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 17:35:50 GMT -8
I have the mill edge X,Y,Z, A Ah, but then the "set TB zero" button can't be present.... as it is not in the mill screen set... so you "can't" see it between the "probe only" button and the "probe active" LED. I don't know anyway for you to have both X,Y,Z,A AND the "Set tB Zero" button. Can you take a screen shot to shoe me what you are seeing? If I can't figure this conundrum out, I'll help you reset things to what I think they should be - but I'd like to understand what is happening before that. Dave |
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 17:38:41 GMT -8
Oh yeah, would you please check the reference page and tell me the MSM version you are running?
Dave
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 17:41:03 GMT -8
ok but give a couple of minets to figure out how to get the shot
Larry
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Post by lseguine on Nov 27, 2012 17:52:52 GMT -8
dave my version is v 1.1.22 here is my attempt at screen copy larry Attachments:
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Post by DaveCVI on Nov 27, 2012 20:10:13 GMT -8
Larry,
Wow - that baffles me - I see it but I'm having trouble believing it...
That's weird.
The Set TB zero button is only in the lathe screens and they were released with MSM 2.0... so how it shows up in mill mode with an MSM 1.1.22 install is bugging me - a lot.
Let me look into this to see if I can figure out what is going on....
Dave
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